Irate is not a liberal site. We do, however, have liberals participating from time to time.

It is an information site. An Oathkeepers site, and hopefully a site where honest information and thought is exchanged openly and opinions can be voiced at a time when our government appears to be running amok. People are sometimes challenged here. If someone appears and presents beliefs of substance or morality, then let them present. If they are right, then they shall prevail and be so acknowledged.

That said, I believe that everyone is welcome to come and participate. While it is sometimes buzzing with activity, most of the time you can simply leave your opinion and then come back to find out what others have had to say. You might be surprised to find out how many people actually agree with you!

"There is a principle, which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance-- that principle is contempt prior to investigation." -- Herbert Spencer

We are much better off with a few honest participants than with the confusion brought on by a multitude of muddled and confused masses.

Give Irate a try.

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No watchdogs here but you and I Soffitrat. (well Eagle too but he is moderator to keep me in line when I get my language going. LOL)

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The world was here first, it owes you nothing. Count yourself fortunate if you get all you've earned. Count yourself a thief if you get what others have earned. Count yourself a parasite if you believe you're entitled to it.-Mark Twain

Vicarious living.

One reason we have such a plethora of 'reality TV' .

Reality is messier than that 'clinically cleansed' crap on the Tube now.

Reality is watching your future and your kids future being sold down the river on C-span. Far too many haven't the inclination to watch that nor have the background to understand what is really going on there.

Reality is knowing what you rifle will do on a freezing day, with gusting winds and sleet. Yes, I will go to the range and freeze my butt off to make sure that my gear is up to the challenges forthcoming.(and me for that matter, BRRrrrrrr)

Reality smells like something other than that $50/bottle of cologne with some Entertainers name on it.

Reality is Biscuits and Gravy on Tuesday morning for Diogenes. See ya all tomorrow.

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There are two people on this site that take it upon themselves to blast those who have an opposing viewpoint from theirs. They never give others a chance to respond before they clobber the person with the opposing viewpoint. Back-off a little and this site may open up to more people responding.

I know that comment was directed at myself and one other, My question to you is in what way have I been 'blasting' differences of opinion.

I can think of one occasion that I will freely admit too but only because said person NEVER tried to back up his BS. Other than that, I have tried to open up conversations. I have asked for input. I have asked for other opinions and been ignored. I only ask that you back it up with proofs of some sort, unless what you are talking about it a proposal for something different than what we are seeing now. (like a tax revolt, or healthcare)

SO

are you going to defend your accusation?

I am here to defend my position on trying to open conversations.

(please note, there are threads that you start or respond to that I choose to ignore as I don't have anything to add or subtract from them. If I see something and I have information on it, to enhance or refute, I will post on it. THAT is how conversations grow. )

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The world was here first, it owes you nothing. Count yourself fortunate if you get all you've earned. Count yourself a thief if you get what others have earned. Count yourself a parasite if you believe you're entitled to it.-Mark Twain

The fellow from Texas gets a little carried away at times using the word shame etc. Just look at some of the comments on that one post. He makes some good points but the way he makes them could be a little less confrontational in my opinion.

It is okay to express your feelings but not to belittle another. I could go back and find a few like where Rachel expressed her views on Israel and she got hammered.

I think if WE were all a little more respectful maybe more would participate. You wanted to know why more do not participate and I'm just giving my thoughts. You wanted to know so don't kill the messenger.

You have been pretty rational and I have liked some of your responses. I guess I didn't word my comment very well. See what happens when you don't think first? It seems more and more like a two man show and initially many more participated.

To me it seems pretty much like about six people participate and it would be nice to see more. These are my feelings but I would like to hear what others have to say that have only made one or two posts.

Maybe if we all work together this site could really grow. Have a great holiday did not mean it quite the way it sounded.

Believe me, I would love to see more participate. I have asked for input on many responses but it seems that not many are willing to jump into a debate. If I am wrong tell me as much and show me how, I will do that same. If someone is right I say as much.

I have no issues with being proven wrong, on some cases I really wish someone would show me where I am wrong. I don't like the way things are going in this country, and some of that carries over into how people are dealing with others.

Then again, maybe we need to have a little more of the 'In your face' discussions about some of this stuff. This country has been touchy feely for far too long in my opinion.


Thanks for coming back and making your points known though. I wasn't for sure if you would.

As for Blasting Rachel, I remember some of that, not sure if it was a flame job or what. There have been times where I posted stuff refuting her statements, I wouldn't call that 'flaming' by anymeans. More trying to point out that things aren't all they are reported as. I hate seeing the media hyping up BS, and when I can I try to point people to factual information. Its out there, you may have to dig for it but it is there.

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The world was here first, it owes you nothing. Count yourself fortunate if you get all you've earned. Count yourself a thief if you get what others have earned. Count yourself a parasite if you believe you're entitled to it.-Mark Twain

That is the best word (under the circumstances) that I can think of. Give me another and I might use it. Of course, I can think of a few and although they would be just as accurate, they might get me kicked off of here.

The sole purpose of this site (IMO) is to share information, or to discuss and debate the issues. I don't see it as being important to pacify those who really want a lonely hearts club site. If that is what people want, that is fine. They can, and should, go to numerous other sites that are centered on soothing pampered feelings or meeting personal needs.

People come here, they see and they may even learn, but they don't participate. Many are just lurkers who don't want to jump in.

Why?

Because they want to stay on the periphery, believing somehow they will not really be touched by current events?

The greatest asset we have is our diversity of circumstances and experience. We see things differently, but need to become a part of, not apart from. We just might need forums like this to stay abreast of what is happening in different parts of the country.

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It doesn't matter what I say about Israel, I will get hammered due to the amount of brainwashing the media has done for the last 50 years. That really doesn't bother me anymore, because I also know that when you start recieving flak it means you are over the target.

As too the lack of posters:

first there is no way of telling how accurate the count is to begin with. We may have far less visitors to this board but we are solely relying on a count built into the software. We don't know if it's correct. And since software tends to mess up a lot...I really don't give to much thought to the "counts."

Ya know we could sit here all night and debate what is a debate. To be honest most people on the web have little debating skills. Meaning very little basic manners and even less actual sources to back up what they say.

I admit I don't link sources like I should. Manly due to the fact people will only follow them if it's to their advantage. Another words...they will only follow a source if it either backs up what they are saying or if they think they can discredit that source.

I have had some very good American sources discredited as "Arab Propaganda" simply due to sighting statistics for the Gaza conflict. Undeniable facts that the reader would rather wash away as "Arab propaganda" when no Arabs were even involved in writing the reports than admit Gaza strip is a concentration camp and a humanitarian issue.

Nope, simply becuase they believe that all Arabs are evil and will kill everyone of us. Which is an insane view to have of the world.

My own husband is so brainwashed by the media that when we went to Red Robin for dinner a small group of "Arab" looking teens sat with an American woman and ordered dinner. A few spoke back and forth in their native language which my husband assumed was Arabic. They could have been speaking yiddish for we all know.

I am telling him they are teens, probably exchange students. They couldn't even shave yet. Don't know what nationality they were. Don't know what they were speaking. Had a white American woman with them speaking freely to them and my dipstick husband thought they were "terrorist."

I had to tell him he was being paranoid and they were kids!!!!!

That is how brainwashed we are!

There would have been a higher probability of the place being robbed than those boys being terrorist. It was stupid, dumb and about as anti-American as you can get. This was my own husband.

50 years of brainwashing into thinking all Arabs are some massive threat to our society and no one ever thinks about who owns the media, who is the most powerful lobby group and who dictates our foreign policy. It's not the Arabs.

It's easy to blame one another but harder to look in the mirror. And a little manners can go a long way. And never, ever base an assumption on a silly count.

I try to not make assumptions but there are times where you have to go with what little information you have.

I agree with you on the link issue. I try to link as often as possible and I wonder sometimes if I'm wasting my time. I try to follow links when presented with them as I may learn something that changes my point of view. Sometimes it happens, more often though I find that its not what it was intended to be. (kind of like reading the opening paragraph, linking to it, not realizing that the remainder of the article is actually refuting the premise of the first paragraph. See that often enough in Liberal media.)

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The world was here first, it owes you nothing. Count yourself fortunate if you get all you've earned. Count yourself a thief if you get what others have earned. Count yourself a parasite if you believe you're entitled to it.-Mark Twain